Participants:
PrabhupādaAllBhakti-caruBhavānandaDevoteeDevoteesDr. G. GhoshDr. GopalHṛdayānandaOthersSvarūpa DāmodaraTamāla KṛṣṇaUpendra
Hṛdayānanda: Always more or less warm. Tropical, subtropical. Always nice fruits. Perhaps some day, in a Kṛṣṇa conscious world, we'll have to bring many people there, because there's so much unused land, all very green, lots of rivers, very nice, warm, and no one lives there. Thousands of miles of very nice land, and no one is using it. We are sending a few devotees back to Argentina, and we're going to try to see what can be done there. We are hopeful that even though our movement was kicked out there, still, there are many, many people who are chanting sixteen rounds or building altars in their homes and offering their food to Kṛṣṇa. And even since the government's kicked out all the different groups, including ourselves, just by your books circulating, many people are becoming devotees and leaving the country to go to other temples. So actually we're still making devotees there just from the books that were distributed. And now we're investigating to try to again get legal permission, also perhaps establish something like some type of restaurant or farm community there. [break]
Prabhupāda: What news?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We're trying to fix a debate in Delhi on October 27th among different scientists and ourselves.
Prabhupāda: Twenty-seventh October?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: This month, yes, October 27th. It was Indian National Science Academy. There are some very well known scientists, including Kothari, D. S. Kothari and other... They told me there is a group of scientists in Delhi, actually from all over India. It's called Mind Group. They like to do research on nature of consciousness. And they told me that it would be very good if we have a debate between our group and their group. So I agreed to that. And the Mishra, actually, the one who came last time, he also belongs to that group, and Kothari is the chairman of that group, and there's one Bengali called Lankadas[?] Gupta. He's the secretary. They all belong to that group. So they're going to invite us for a, they call, a round-table debate. It will be about twenty people from their side and five from our side. So we're going to have a confrontation. And also Dr. Khorana told me that when I come I can fix a television program in Delhi to appear us, and they're going to interview us in the Indian television. But I've decided to establish Bombay as a... Since we have everything there ready, I'd like to furnish with office, and also I requested our members to stay here for some time. So they're going to establish the library also. I have plans to contact many leading scientists, personal goal. So we'll all go out with our books, and we'll try to make them members of the Institute. Also in the process we'll speak and make engagements, and also we'll try to request them to help us in pushing this Movement, plus we'll request them to review our books on a scientific level. And so that way we can make friends and they can help us in, I think, various ways. I think that... I'm thinking of charging one hundred rupees only for membership. This is called annual membership. It's like in any other institution we have this membership program. Just like I am a member of American Chemical Society. We have annual membership fees. So just like that, we'll generate, called subscriber members, and they will get our journal, Sa-Vijñānam, free. This is, er... And they'll renew this every year. I just discussed this morning with my members that we should plan to make many members while we're here, six months in India. Then yesterday we were discussing about our possible permanent place in the United States. And I suggested that, from my experience, that Atlanta was very, very nice place especially to do writing, because the atmosphere is nice and the climate is also nice, and it's natural setting. It is very conducive, especially thinking and writing type of work. So I decided that until at least we have a permanent place, I like to stay for a few years in Atlanta. Then they will stay about three, four years to do the..., some of our main writing. And then also we can do the preaching, side by side. So instead of going to Europe, we'll go back to the United States after the Māyāpur festival, and then we'll do more writing, and in the process we'll also make several engagements in the United States. We'll start preaching now. Also Amarendra, that I requested... He's in Balavanta's zone. He's the president in Gainesville. He's the one who's good in making engagements for us. He's very enthusiastic. But he cannot come outside United States. So I thought it will also be very practical to be in Atlanta. Then in the process we'll look for a possible permanent place in Washington, DC, so that we can work out slowly, but... At least four, five years we'll be engaged in writing. So... And also we'll request, make many members as possible from the scientific community.
Prabhupāda: Enroll the intelligent men.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: In the meantime, I'm thinking of a small office here in Vṛndāvana, because Vṛndāvana I'll come back now and then, often, and I'd like to have a small place also to do some writing here. It's a nice atmosphere, quiet, and also they have all the facilities here to do some writing. So I just went to buy a..., got this almirah for the office in Mathurā, Dr. Sharma. In about a month we'll go to Bombay temple and try to furnish the Institute offices and also try to make some contact with the scholars. I'm thinking of holding a short conference in Bombay. It will be like here in Vṛndāvana. Bombay's already many scholars, and right in the middle of the city, so it will be a lot easier in Bombay also. Big cities like Delhi, I think can get many scholars. In Vṛndāvana not so many came, but those few came, I think they were quite nice, and we learned something from this conference.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was speaking with Śrīla Prabhupāda the other day that it doesn't seem that Vṛndāvana would be a good place to construct an entire building for Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Prabhupāda: Why? There is already a building.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There is already a building here. Judging by the reaction... Of course, this is the first meeting, but...
Prabhupāda: Later on...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Later on it may be done, but for now it's better to concentrate in bigger cities, where we're sure of the response.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's asking for your...
Prabhupāda: Svarūpa Dāmodara?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Yes. It is true that in big cities... Say, [indistinct] in Delhi. They say they can fill up the Vijñāna Bhavana. Also coming here in Vṛndāvana is..., especially if we don't provide transportation right from..., by some good conveyance, actually it's not so easy to come here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And that also would be such an expenditure. Each time you want to hold a meeting you'd have to convey people, especially from other cities.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Actually it's not... Next time I don't want to spend any money on conveyance and prasādam. It's going to be charge now. This was just for Vṛndāvana. In Bombay I'm not going to do any more like this.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think that for now it's better not to spend ten lakhs or more of rupees to build a building, another building here. Better to wait, let the Institute become established in Bombay, and see if there's some real backing, and then consider again whether we want to build it in Vṛndāvana.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, that's all right. But still, I feel that even for a gurukula child we need a hall, small or big. We need something... It's quite common in any academy, institute, whether it's big or large, something where people can get together. Just like friends meet or any other functions that is normally associated with academic institutions. So some sort of hall, it's, I think, will be of value.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Svarūpa Dāmodara says, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that even if the hall is not simply for the Bhaktivedanta Institute, that the gurukula here requires to have at least one big auditorium with seats. And also, if you remember, the upstairs was going to be living quarters for women. Right now the women are living on the inside part of the guesthouse, and they're very noisy with all the children there. So perhaps it's a good idea to go ahead with that building anyway. He says that the Bhaktivedanta Gurukula could use that hall in any case.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: It can be a multipurpose hall. It doesn't have to be just for gurukula or Bhaktivedanta Institute. It can also be cultural...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Cultural or wedding... We could rent it for wedding ceremonies, things like that also.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. It's already a cultural center. Just like the Gītā Conference is coming next month, I was told? They would like to hold here. Something like that, we can always get some engagements. Also we can get some...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What do you think, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No, whatever you think is approved.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Whatever you think is approved.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hmm. Well, we can discuss that.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Also, that will add attractions to the outsiders, if we have these nice places. Everybody who came here, those few scientists... About fifty-five, I think, all came. Most of them told me that they never knew that such thing existed in Vṛndāvana. It's such a nice place, and very peaceful and... They never expected that these things existed in Vṛndāvana. And they were very impressed. Even our incomplete building and with all our incomplete arrangements, they were very amazed that such thing existed. And one... Actually a few of them from Agra told me that "Next time, if you hold a conference," he said, "I will take all responsibility to bring all the scientists from around Agra, Delhi, and everything." He said he didn't know that such things might exist. So Vṛndāvana is also a place where people come and we can cultivate their..., to bring them to the spiritual consciousness, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Actually, it's very true that when they see our temple and to see our children, oh, they were so impressed that they say they will come back. And some of them attended maṅgala-ārati and some of them attended Bhāgavatam class, even those who came for our conference. And so... Especially those who came with wives, very attracted to see our Deities and the photographs, nice, from all over the world. Everything was so attractive. Even the Mishra, who was so Māyāvādī during our conference, also was almost materialist, his wife was so influential. His wife was actually a devotee. And I spent about two hours in his room with them, and she was instructing him that "You think that everything is just chemicals." And she was telling him that "Why don't you think that God existed before—there was God, and everything's coming from Him? And do research on the basis of that. If you do that, then everything will be nice." She was telling him that "Without bhakti, your science isn't going to give you any happiness, no pleasure." So actually she... Then he almost became a devotee. He said, "Yes, yes, yes." [laughter] And they wanted to see Śrīla Prabhupāda just before they went. I told them that doctor told us that we shouldn't allow any, even the devotees, not so crowded in the room, because doctor advises not to do so. So I requested that "When Prabhupāda gets better, you please come back. Prabhupāda's going to get better. Then we'll have the opportunity to allow you to have Prabhupāda's darśana." So they say they will come back, bring their children. Especially they were very impressed by our gurukula boys. They said it reminded them Kṛṣṇa's boyhood pastimes just seeing these our gurukula boys. Especially every day we had invocation by the gurukula boys with Yaśodānandana Mahārāja from Brahma-saṁhitā. The vibrations were so potent that everybody was very impressed. Though we didn't have all the guests that we invited, but still, I think, those few who came, I think they had very good appreciation about Śrīla Prabhupāda's program. Especially bhakti-vedānta... Mishra's relation was very significant. He said he never had in his life to see this bhakti-vedānta. He called all of us as Bhakti-vedāntist. He said he was always Advaita-vedāntist, and he said he never saw a bhakti-vedāntī. He said it was a great experience. He said he was very grateful that he came to the conference. And he had great appreciation of the whole movement. They said, "Just imagine that in about ten years a big empire can be built in such a pure spirit." So like that, Dr. Soni... Soni is the Deputy General of Indian Council of Agricultural Research. He's also a big government scientist. To see these people... Actually, even one cannot just go and see them. You have to wait for so many red tapes just to go them. They came. He came with his family. Actually, he was the chief guest on Sunday, and he had such a great appreciation of our whole Movement, and he told me very frankly in his opening speech that a few years ago he saw the devotees in Picadilly Circus, first time in London. And about that time he said he had a very wrong impression, negative impression of the whole movement. He said he thought something that was not very impressive. Then he told me very frankly that when I came to invite him for this to be the chief guest on Sunday, he said just on the basis of that, he said he was not willing to accept the invitation. But then, he said, after talking with me for a few minutes, he said he changed his whole attitude and then just decided to come. And then he expressed that he was very grateful that he came, and he learned a lot. He said this is one of the noblest causes that one can dedicate. So he had a great appreciation for the Movement. So like that, we'd like to make some friends, especially in the higher, educated classes of people. And I think I'm very hopeful, by the mercy of Your Divine Grace and Kṛṣṇa's mercy, that we can at least follow your instructions. Then I think we can do it.
Prabhupāda: A round table we have in Delhi?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Delhi?
Prabhupāda: That round table?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. There will be a round-table conference debate in Delhi. So all five will be there. Brahma-tīrtha, our geologist from Houston, he's going back, he told me, on 28th. So I decided to do on 27th. Also, before that... Krishnamurti is the director general of television in New Delhi, and he's a good friend of our Dr. Khorana. Dr. Khorana is our Life Member in Delhi. So he also came to the conference on the last day. In fact, he brought the head of the All-India Medical Association also. So he told me that any day I come, any day we want, we can fix a date for a television appearance also. And since we are here, I also don't want to go far away from Vṛndāvana at this time. So in this process I'd like to go to Agra and Delhi and also possibly Punjab areas, and I'd like to do some program and again come back in Vṛndāvana. I don't want to go far away from Vṛndāvana at this stage. And in the process also we'd like to do some engagements. And then in about one or two months we'll work for Bombay. In Bombay, I was told that three rooms are provided for the Institute. But we are at least four, and also we need a secretary for typing. So it seems to me that the three rooms that would be allotted for us will be not sufficient. [pause]
Prabhupāda: That's all.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Jaya. Thank you.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like kīrtana? [break] [end]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...would that be all right? Of course, first they're going to finish this gate. Should I go and see it tomorrow?
Prabhupāda: Not...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just inquire? [aside:] You can keep chanting.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I just told them to keep chanting.
Prabhupāda: You did not read that conveyance?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, I did today. There's some things we have to get clarified.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, first of all a conveyance is drawn up according to the sales agreement. So without seeing the sales agreement, it's very hard to know if everything is accurate. The sales agreement is kept with the Central Bank of India in Calcutta. So we're...
Prabhupāda: Do not copy?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, we had never made a copy. So I think the easiest thing would be to give Jayapatākā Mahārāja a letter of authority. He'll get the agreement, and even right in the bank or else at the temple in Calcutta he can make a copy and send us a copy and redeposit the original with the bank. And that's one point. Then another point is that the land on which the building was erected doesn't actually belong to Mr. Patodiya. It belonged to a Bengali gentleman, and in fact it's not owned by Mr. Patodiya. It's leased for ninety-nine years, of which eighty-five years still remain. So this conveyance more or less... It appears that every guarantee is only given for the duration of that lease—another eighty-five years. So the obvious question is what happens after that eighty-five years? Of course, a lawyer, a solicitor, can tell us this very easily, but I'm thinking that it might be helpful that when Jayapatākā is sending us the copy of the sale agreement he may also get a copy for Mr. Patodiya of that lease agreement which Mr. Patodiya has with the Bengali gentleman, so that we can see what the position is after eighty-five years. Girirāja and I were studying it pretty closely. So what we're going to probably do is we'll give the copy of the conveyance draft to one of our Life Member lawyers, friends, you know, friends in Delhi, and in the meantime, while he's looking at it, we'll get the necessary documents from Calcutta. Then we'll settle it up. Not difficult.
Prabhupāda: There are other? Other occupants?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There are other occupants? I don't follow your question, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: As we have taken...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...others have also taken. Yes. But we can find out what they're doing. Should Jayapatākā do these things? I think he is the proper person, not Śatadhanya. Jayapatākā is more experienced with these kind of things, legal works. In any case, we're dealing with it. Then there's also the issue of who is responsible for paying the various corporation taxes and things like that.
Prabhupāda: The occupier.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The occupier. Not the owner, not Patodiya. We are responsible.
Prabhupāda: As other occupier.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I mean I was just going to say, what's really required is for Jayapatākā to meet the..., one or two of the association people, people who occupy there, and just find out how they are doing. I discussed this already with Girirāja. The main thing is that we have to have a copy of the sale agreement so that we can see that the terms of the conveyance agree with the terms of the sale agreement. That's the biggest issue. [kīrtana] [break]
Upendra: Prabhupāda? Pisimā's nephew has come.
Prabhupāda: [Bengali with Pisimā's nephew; discusses Vrindavan De] [break]
Dr. G. Ghosh: [Bengali] He had his morning Complan?
Bhakti-caru: No, not as yet.
Dr. G. Ghosh: [Bengali with Bhakti-caru] Pomegranate juice. Or Complan? Preparing. His pulse has definitely improved, and the swelling too has come down. [break]
Bhavānanda: Now you're resting nicely? Not. [break] I think that you... [break] Because up until then you were taking some small amount of solid food. [end]
[Very Poor Recording]
Prabhupāda: So you purchased[?] …
Dr. Gopal: Except weakness, you do have more?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Except for weakness do you have any other complaints, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: No desire for eating.
Dr. Gopal: Is there any cough?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm?
Dr. Gopal: Is there any cough?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no cough.
Dr. Gopal: Mucus?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Mucus? No, no. Is there any mucus?..
Prabhupāda: Purified.
Dr. Gopal: No mucus, just some symptoms. Did you have much motion today, yesterday?
Prabhupāda: I think..
Prabhupāda: I think..
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda he is trying to tell Dr. Gopal that you have moved your bowels …
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Bhavānanda: [Indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: I see, if your bowels are moving very well these days [indistinct] so that .. [indistinct] problem [indistinct] ……… [pause -3:34] .. the amount of urine ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: .. [indistinct] the amount of liquid intake [indistinct] ….
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] .. the amount of urine, if it is more than 700 .. he will suffer ..
Bhavānanda: .. more than 700? ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So how much does [indistinct] usually have 700cc’s
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] ..I will find out and in that way I’ll know better [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: 400
Dr. Gopal: 400, hm. Could you pass me [indistinct] or more [indistinct].. This is the clear [indistinct] or [indistinct]..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How is the color today?
Bhavānanda: Slightly cloudy..
Dr. Gopal: Slightly cloudy but not much cloudy because ahm, much improvement ..
Bhavānanda: Much improvement, much improvement!
Dr. Gopal: I think that I [indistinct] .. I say ..that eh, this is [indistinct]..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Did you hear any of that Śrīla Prabhupāda?
All: [laugh]
Prabhupāda: Very enjoyable[?]
Dr. Gopal: Because I want that ah, you are feeling at the moment a few [indistinct] I was maybe wrong but afterwards I suppose [indistinct] you have not oral food so that [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: Best [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm.
Dr. Gopal: And eh, simply taking a [indistinct] give him some [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: [indistinct]
Bhavānanda: Yes, [indistinct] with all of the juice we have been putting [indistinct]. Śrīla Prabhupāda doctor Gopal …
Dr. Gopal: I am of the opinion that don’t [indistinct] affects mucus [indistinct] glucose. You don’t want to give sugar because by giving him glucose it will cause more gas organization.
Prabhupāda: [indistinct].
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda asks what about Misthi? [?]
Bhavānanda: Misthi dahi[?]
Dr. Gopal: This is very good [indistinct] but it can harm, the sugar can harm. Ordinary sugar can harm because the sugar has glucose.
Prabhupāda: Misthi water, I want.
Dr. Gopal: Misthi water [indistinct].
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda we have spoken with doctor Gopal he also like all of the other doctors and like yourself and all of your disciples. He says that you should take milk, however he has suggested that you take ice cream and ice cold milk. He said that will include cream, he said, Dr. Gopal said that will … that will reduce the nausia..
Dr. Gopal: By taking these 4 things you will not have this feeling of nausia, vomiting and mucus if you had [indistinct].
Prabhupāda: Hm. I’m taking …
Dr. Gopal: And secondly don’t take much of [fruit] juices [indistinct]
. .. because it will [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about eh..
Others: Pommegranate ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Pommegranate?
Dr. Gopal: Pommegranate, this you can give.
Bhavānanda: But no mozante[?] or sweet, lemon and citrus.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about sweet wine?
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] at the moment we are trying to utilize for the..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about grape juice?
Dr. Gopal: Grape juice?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Grape juice is alright and pomegranate juice is alright.
Bhavānanda: Dr. Gopal, what about mucus which…
Dr. Gopal: Mucus [indistinct] .. for one who is rendered diseased mucus is [indistinct] and one who is [indistinct]is coming from the bowel because a bowel the function one of the functions is to form mucus, so that as other parts of the body. The eyes [indistinct] the mouth parallel whether the function moves properly, the urine for example [indistinct] there should not be any [indistinct] in the same way the bowels [indistinct] it is something which creates mucus. So that the mucus is coming normally without any [indistinct].
Bhavānanda: Call you.
Dr. Gopal: Secondly, [indistinct] but I have already [indistinct] .. I think though the cough must be less than you were telling me 2 or 3 days back?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You're not getting much cough now Śrīla Prabhupāda, the doctor says it's because of the syrup he is giving..
Devotee: [indistinct] just the immediate result of giving milk and some syrop…[indistinct] cough ..
Dr. Gopal: That is you can have a gargle… I told you on that day also that you can have Listerine gargles .. Listerine you can have put in a cup of water and he can have gargles with that and rinse the mouth…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah we can give that with water?
Devotee: [indistinct] Prabhupāda said that after bath [indistinct] and after one hour [indistinct] mucus ..
Dr. Gopal: That's right, I said on that day also that he can have a plain steamed inhalation but I think that the steam [indistinct] … and whatever cough and mucus is there … without any aversion..
Devotee: [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] the cause is mucus [indistinct] when he will have steamed inhalation then it will come out very easily [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, and if he does get cough again the easiest way to get it out very easily is the steamed inhalation…
Devotee: [indistinct]
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda likes that..
Bhavānanda: And the restlessness?
Dr. Gopal: Restlessness, I think…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What about that restlessness at night?
Dr. Gopal: He is very much restless?
Bhavānanda: It comes at night, during the day he is always able to rest but in the evening..
Dr. Gopal: At the moment he has only got a little amount of blood as far as I know.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, may be you're not sleeping at night because you always used to stay up and translate.
Devotees: [laugh]
Devotee: [indistinct]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He was never sleeping at night maybe he still remembers that.
Dr. Gopal: I see, I don't want to be…
[indistinct discussion follows with TKG] …
[indistinct discussion follows with TKG] …
Prabhupāda: Bhavānanda?
Bhavānanda: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda
Prabhupāda: Did you get the kavirāja [indistinct] medicine..
Bhavānanda: No, Śrīla Prabhupāda [indistinct] ..
[indistinct discussion follows]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, no …That was eight months ago..
Dr. Gopal: .. Only a drop of blood, not much …
[indistinct discussion follows then long pause as the doctor is doing something]
Bhavānanda: How many times do you do this?
[indistinct discussion follows]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, the doctor says that these exercises would be good for getting the muscles more stronger… [indistinct] ..
Bhavānanda: If you don't do some little exercise like this then how will you be able to walk for darśan of Kṛṣṇa-Balarāma? [laughs]
[indistinct discussion follows]
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Rādhā-Rāsabihārī ārtik, separation…
All: [laugh]
[indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavānanda: Dr. Gopal [indistinct] good for itching back ..
Dr. Gopal: For that you can apply…
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Poltice[?] [indistinct discussion follows]
Dr. Gopal: .. and this gargling helps the bowels [indistinct] .. [indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavānanda: And are there any other solid foods that you would recommend that he should take?
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] .. [indistinct discussion follows]
Bhavānanda: Still, Dr. Gopal Prabhupāda becomes as Tamāla[?] explained Prabhupāda has to take…[indistinct]..
Dr. Gopal: [indistinct] still more .. liver …
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, Dr Gopal says that because you are only taking liquid therefore it is causing some nausea and if you take some solid like this dalia[?] Or a chapati soaked in milk…
Dr. Gopal: Can he take potatoes?
Others: Yes. Oh yes.
Dr. Gopal: Cooked potatoes, mashed potatoes. [indistinct discussion follows] .. I don't like fried things ..
Prabhupāda: Boiled?
Dr. Gopal: Ah, boiled or mashed. … [indistinct] .. or boiled potatoes.
Bhavānanda: [Indistinct, laughs] and ice cream, ice cream and ice cold milk. Ice cold Complan..
Dr. Gopal: Complan or..
Bhavānanda: All cold…
Dr. Gopal: Put in it … [indistinct] ..
Bhavānanda: .. for reducing, that will be, mucus will be reduced. If this is applied, is that correct? What is the purpose of taking it cold?
Dr. Gopal: … [indistinct] ..cold … [indistinct] .. any more questions?
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, do you have any questions or anything you would like to know from Dr Gopal? …
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I think he may have gotten something for getting mucus cold … [indistinct] ..
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Dr. Ghosh[?] ..
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is a good idea.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well first of all, Dr Ghosh has not yet established his dispensary so he wont be able to give any help to anybody until he gets his dispensary setup. And the second point is that for common colds and other things this kavirāja seems to be very expert. But your condition is not a simple cold. In fact we have tried to use this kavirāja for a six months, five months. To no avail. So when someone has a cold, then maybe it is kavirāja who can manage to work in very difficult cases. Not that, it doesn't seem to be very effective. In any case if Dr. Ghosh would set up his dispensary as an institute then I don't think anyone would want to go to the kavirāja. Because as Westerners we have found that the allopathic medicines act a little bit more quickly and very often the Ayurvedic medicines, they are not potent enough, or they are not prescribed properly and they don't work always very properly…Em, this change of the weather suddenly. Warm in the day and cold at night a couple of the devotees have caught a little cold. In any case for a difficult case, then Dr Gopal is there.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he could but they have chosen to go through the kavirāja. I don't know why because if I had a cold I would go to Dr Gopal. I wouldn't waste my time going through the kavirāja. Because I've seen that in dealing with you. Although I would like to learn much and he seems like a nice devotee. I haven't seen any improvement in his condition and he has been… not even I got any improvement when I went for that [indistinct] in Calcutta. Simply I got my money taken. But at least with this Dr Gopal, so far we notice that nothing very bad is happening and in fact if anything you are able to increase your intake of foodstuffs. Well about four or five days ago you were taking about the equal of one glass or cup of liquid. Now you're taking the equivalent of about 4 cups. You’ve increased by four times what you were taking previously.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually Śrīla Prabhupāda, everyone passes stool every day. In fact, I was thinking…
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was thinking that because you were not passing stool for so many months properly. Maybe once every five days for a day. So you became accustomed to passing school in a regular way, natural way. I don't think that we should take it that this is such a serious difficulty. It might be a slight inconvenience but that will be passed over. When you're, just like. Just like anything that when done, there must be ways with the good effects and the bad effects. So in some things there may be some slight bad effect. Just like a botheration but if one gets cured then that is the main thing. So we are trying to see how to cure you and if in doing so you may pass a little extra stool. That should not be taken as so important that it does away with the cure.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The kavirāja's medicine it stopped passing stool?
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I don't think [indistinct] .. as far as I know, people were going to the kavirāja for the purpose of their own needs. Bhavānanda Mahārāja sometimes gets a little congestion due to the air here and Girirāja had a cold…
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] Bombay ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, he will be going back in about a few days time.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, actually we have all been discussing. When I just walked in the room Pañcadraviḍa Mahārāja was making as .. He was looking a little better today. And actually [indistinct] .. as you yourself said, “at least I am not feeling any worse or weaker.” Is that fact still [indistinct] ..
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda said, “What is weaker than a dead body?”…
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually though your … [indistinct]
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It is the sign of a great Yogi.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, we should add some ah, flesh to the bone. And the way to do that is by taking regularly some nourishing drink. Then you wont be bones anymore.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If you take something solid then the stool business will stop. Anyone here who drinks only liquids will pass stool all the time, anyone. That is natural. But if you take a little bit of something solid, or binding then you won't pass stool.
Prabhupāda: [thick heavy cough] … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That was Dr Gopal's reasoning. That anybody drinking liquid only, he will pass stool more. So I think you should try to take some solid.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The only things that have to be taken, Dr Gopal was discussing.
Devotee: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well make a few things up..
Devotee: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Smashed potato.
Devotee: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Smash it.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In the meantime you can take a little pomegranate juice and then by the time everything gets ready we will make a few things. A little [indistinct] also would be good. And some smashed potatoes. A few things, take a little little of each. And in that way your condition will improve. Actually according to Dr Gopal you will be sitting up on your own within a few days time.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Most of them say four days, he only said two [chuckles]. Usually they say four. The kavirāja would say four. Anyway, one should think positively and always…
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That doctor Ghosh of [indistinct] said four days. But Dr Gopal is the best he says two days.. Of course that is to encourage you Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Are you doing the exercising today?
Prabhupāda: … [indistinct] ..
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, Śrīla Prabhupāda in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is described how one great devotee of Lord Caitanya he did not have any disciples. So everyone was asking him, “why you do not take any disciples?” He said, “all right the first person who I meet tomorrow I will make him my disciple.” So then he went down to the Ganga for a bath in the morning and the first person he met was a dead body floating down the river. So, he was so pure that simply by touching this body, the person came back to life again and he made him his disciple. So by the mercy of Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu a dead body can become alive again. So we are expecting that same thing for you Śrīla Prabhupāda. You told us that we should understand everything from your books, so it is stated in the books that it is possible. [end]